ASK FATHER: “Are limits to the trope-ability of the Kyrie?”

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

I am wondering if there are limits to the trope-ability of the Kyrie. Today I attended a parish that my husband and I usually avoid — although it is probably our territorial parish — because of questionable liturgical practices that leave us on edge during Mass (priest holding hands with the altar girls behind the altar during the Our Father, for instance). Today, in between the standard parts of the Kyrie, the choir/a cantor inserted lines in the spirit of: “For all the times we have failed to be open-hearted and welcoming….”

I understood that tropes were supposed to enhance understanding of the theology of the Mass. This seemed to narrow our cry for mercy to a single issue. Is this licit or am I overly critical?

First, we might get into the idea of the Kyrie and tropes.

The Greek acclamation Kyrie eleison probably entered the Roman liturgy from the East by the 6th century and was firmly established by the time of St. Gregory the Great. Hence, it is one of the oldest elements of the Roman Rite.  Its troping, however, took off in the medieval period. From about the 9th c. onward, musicians began inserting short texts, “tropes”, into established chants.  In the Kyrie, the inserted phrases often identified Christ under particular titles or described His saving work, while the underlying Kyrie eleison remained intact.  “Trope” comes from Greek tropos, meaning “a turn, direction, manner, or way” from trepein “to turn.”.   In ancient rhetoric, a trope became a “turn” of expression, that is, a figurative use of language. In medieval liturgy, the term was applied to a textual or musical addition that “turned” or expanded an established chant by inserting explanatory or devotional phrases.  Hence, a Kyrie trope is an added phrase attached to the fixed acclamation Kyrie eleison, usually elaborating who Christ is or what He has done.

Such troped Kyries became extremely elaborate in some medieval uses and were associated with named chant settings. After the Council of Trent, the reform of the Roman Missal greatly reduced them, favoring a more stable liturgical text. The Novus Ordo’s 3rd Form of the Penitential Act is a bit of archeologizing, a return to an older practice.  One might ask if the true good of the people, as the Council Fathers required, was considered.  But I digress.  Anyway, brief Christological invocations are joined to Kyrie eleison.

So, yes, in the Novus Ordo, the Kyrie can be “troped,” but there are limits.  Checking the USCCB’s GIRM, in Penitential Act Form C, the invocations are supposed to be addressed to Christ and to proclaim His saving work. USCCB liturgical guidance explicitly says they should not become a shortened examination of conscience.
So, something like, “Lord Jesus, you came to call sinners: Lord, have mercy” sort of works, but, “For all the times we have failed to be welcoming (to undocumented cultural enrichers who want to take our country and kill us…)” does not.  The second example turns the Kyrie into a list of communal faults rather than an invocation of Christ.  Another one that wouldn’t work would be “Lord Jesus, for using the A/C against Laudato si,…”.  However, something like, “Lord Jesus, you endured the Cross and tomb so that we might be saved”, would fit the bill.

So the short answer is: yes, tropes are permitted, but they should be Christological invocations, not improvised mini-examinations of conscience and certainly not for virtue signaling and woke stuff.

Finally, here is an example of the troped-Kyrie in Gregorian chant, Mass Lux et Origo.

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From “The Private Diary of Bishop F. Atticus McButterpants” – 26-09-22

September 22nd, 2026

Dear Diary,

Had Mass at St. Aloysius last Sunday. It’s part of that new merger into the Living Stones Catholic Collaborative.  It’s getting damn complicated to remember the changes.  As Fr. Tommy muttered at the last meeting we might as well call it One Bread Many Buildings. Because we have the parishes in that mandatory Synodal Listening Encounter process Fr. Gilbert slapped up a homily for me about accompaniment, listening, and building bridges. Good stuff but somehow he lost it on the way so I had to improvise.

Not entirely sure what happened. I was tired, breakfast was rushed.  So I’m in the church hall downstairs where they put out vestments and got the servers dressed and Fr. O’Rourke says they they tried confessions before Mass but he was going to stop because nobody believes in that anymore.   Anyway, when it was time for the homily and I was running out of funny stories I spotted one of the confessionals, the old kind like at SnT* like Tommy spiffed up that made McSwiney so pissed off, and I joked that it was a mistake for Fr to cancel because going to confession is the only place where admitting you did it gets you a lighter sentence.  Then, I don’t know what happened, maybe my blood sugar was low, and told them they ought to go to confession.  I said something about “mortal” sin and something about “judgment” and even “hell”.  It was like what I memorized a zillion years ago from the Balt Catechism all rushed back.  I can’t believe I even said receiving communion while knowing you’re in mortal sin is bad.  It’s like I had a stroke or something.  It got really quiet in there and I figured I really stepped in it.  This morning O’Rourke called. 48 for confession last night.  Took forever.  He called up Billy at St Rita’s if he could drive over and help.  Lots of them said it was from what I said. Apparently a couple asked about getting their marriage straightened out and one young men wanted to talk about seminary.

Then the communications girl called. Someone posted a recording with one of those damn phones on the internet!  Jude called and  said, “Well done, Atticus.”  You could hear the grin over the phone which made me grind my teeth.  I dread what Dozer will say.  He’ll call, for sure.  Or the Noonch!  What if word gets to him that I hinted people were sinners?  Then Tommy just happened to drop in.  Yah right.  He was grinning.  “You said people need confession more than they need another committee.’”  “I did not.”   He played the recording.  I did.  So right away I told the comm girl to put out a statement to downplay the sin thing.  She said she’s gonna say that my remarks should not be interpreted “outside the diocesen synodal framework”.  Sounds great.  When we have the priest convocation I’ll tell them to lay off the sin thing from the pulpit ’cause once was enough for now and we have the synod stuff going on which has priority.

From now on Gilbert has to make two copies of the homily.

Meatloaf for lunch today the kind where you bake it with some ketchup on top. It was pretty good but I left a chunk for Chester.  And there were potatoe chips.  It was kinda like being back at lunch time at St Philomena’s with the sisters with those rulers and the old catechism questions.  HA!


*Libville’s “Spirit and Truth” Cathedral is really St. Telesphorus. They didn’t want Telesphorus after he was removed from the calendar in 1970 so they called it “Spirit and Truth” because Fatty’s predecessor wanted the cathedral rectory’s engraved silverware and place settings to have the same initials, ST for Saint Telephrous. The rector at S and T is still Msgr. Seamus Patrick McSwiney (aka “The Irish Setter”), still there from Fatty’s predecessor. His overarching strategy in pastoral life is to do as much nothing as possible.  He is not going to be there much longer… maybe.

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Some recent posts and thanks to benefactors and a chasuble possibly for sale

Before anything else, I want to thank my regular and occasional benefactors for their kindness.  I pray for you.  My Sunday Mass intention is always for you.

Also I have a budding project over at Substack.  I may “cross post” once in a while, but for the most part, those posts will be different.  Over there I may emphasize readings and orations of the Novus Ordo (since it isn’t going away any time soon and most of you attend it).  Also, I write a weekly offering at One Peter Five, in case you did not know.  These days I’m focused on the Sunday Mass formulary for the Traditional Latin Mass, Vetus Ordo.  I try to tie together the readings and, usually, the Collect with some mordant asides along the way.

Here are some recent posts

Finally, I have not forgotten that some of you are interested in purchasing things that my late-mother crafted.

Also, I am thinking about selling a brilliant red Roman chasuble with fabric woven with griffins made by Gammarelli.  It is great, but Gammarelli didn’t make it quite to my specs. I think I’ve used it twice.  I haven’t even freed up the ties.  Anyway, if there is some priest out there…. drop me a line.  I don’t have many days before my trip to Rome (two, in fact.)

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Your Sunday Sermon Notes – 18th Sunday after Pentecost (N.O.: 26th Ordinary)

My Sunday Mass intention today is for my benefactors, those of you who donate regularly, ad hoc, or send things.

Too many people today are without good, strong preaching, to the detriment of all. Share the good stuff.

Was there a GOOD point made in the sermon you heard at your Mass of obligation for this 18th Sunday after Pentecost in the Vetus Ordo (26th Ordinary Sunday in the Novus Ordo)?

Tell us about attendance especially for the Traditional Latin Mass.

Any local changes or (hopefully good) news?

A taste of what I offered at 1 Peter 5 this week.

[…]

Consider again the friends on the roof. They saw an obstacle and set their hands to it. St. Augustine of Hippo (+430) found in their action an image of the work of opening Scripture for a hearer who needs to reach Christ. When Jesus seems to be hidden from view in a house beneath a roof, patient teaching and effort makes an opening. Faithful friends do this in other ways as well. They pray, persuade, accompany, and sometimes carry someone whose own strength has failed. A parent teaches a child to pray. A friend helps another return to confession. A parish bears with a weary and difficult priest and prays for him. Such acts may involve inconvenience and cost. I suspect that the men at Capernaum probably had to repair the roof the damaged. Worth it? Absolutely.

[…]

 

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ASK FATHER: “While I don’t like seeing female Eucharistic ministers, from a spiritual perspective how can it be worse than lay men?”

WRONG!

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

I understand that before Vatican 2, only the priests distributed Holy Communion.  There are conservative people who think that it is fine for lay men to be Eucharistic ministers if need be, but not women. While I don’t like seeing female Eucharistic ministers, from a spiritual perspective how can it be worse than lay men. They both are not priests, and it is the priests job. Would love to hear your opinion.

Your instinct is substantially correct. From the standpoint of the present law of the Church, if a lay person is legitimately deputed as an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion (EMHC – they are not Eucharistic Ministers!), there is for the Novus Ordo no juridical reason according to which a woman distributing Communion is intrinsically worse than a man doing so. Canon 910 §2 simply speaks of an acolyte or “another member of the Christian faithful.”

There is, however, an historical reason why some traditional Catholics perceive a difference. Service in the sanctuary, especially the ministry of acolyte, developed within the male clerical cursus and had a close relationship to preparation for Holy Orders. That explains the traditional preference for males in roles closely associated with the altar. In the traditional Roman liturgical discipline, neither male nor female laypeople functioned as routine distributors of Holy Communion. Introducing lay EMHCs, male or female, into the 1962 Rite is contrary to its liturgical discipline and ethos.

As far as a theological reason is concerned, a lay man and a lay woman are equally incapable of acting as Ordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. That office belongs properly to the ordained. Nevertheless, a lay man, as a male, possesses a closer symbolic congruity with the sacred ministry because the ministerial priesthood is reserved by divine constitution to men only. Hence, the objection to a female extraordinary minister is not that she is less holy, worthy, or capable of reverence. It concerns the sacramental symbolism of the sanctuary. The priest acts in persona Christi capitis, and the traditional arrangement of ministers around the altar reflects and extends that masculine sacramental sign. A male lay minister, though not ordained, preserves that sign more closely.  A female minister introduces a sign that cannot bear the same relation to the ordained priesthood.  Let’s leave aside what certain Jesuits introduce.

Signs are important.  Once we start chipping away as the signs, we erode our identity.   You can see what has been done to the very concept of a sanctuary in a church, for example, through the iconoclastic (i.e., identity) war carried on by bishop and priest fanatics against Communion rails and their unblinking mania for filling what once was a sanctuary with women and girls.   These are ultimately aimed at our Catholic identity.

Therefore, any lay person is a departure from the ideal, a problem exacerbated when lay distribution is unnecessary (most of the time). But the use of a woman entails an additional rupture in the traditional symbolic relationship between altar service and the male priesthood.

As averted just above, a serious problem is the routine use of any lay Extraordinary Minister when there is no genuine necessity. Redemptionis Sacramentum states (cf 154, 157-158) that bishops, priests and deacons are the ordinary ministers of Holy Communion and that extraordinary ministers are to be used only when sacred ministers are lacking, impeded, or the number of communicants would otherwise prolong Mass excessively. A merely brief prolongation is explicitly insufficient.

 

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WDTPRS – 18th Sunday after Pentecost: Who says mercy has to be gentle?

Traversi_Operation_anagoria 1753 smThe Collect for Sunday Mass this week in the Extraordinary Form wound up in the Ordinary Form Missale Romanum as the Collect for Saturday in the 4th Week of Lent. Go figure. It had an ancient source in the Gelasian Sacramentary. For a change, the redactors of Fr. Bugnini’s and Card. Lercaro’s Consilium, with their scissors and glue pots, didn’t mess around with this prayer.

Dirigat corda nostra, quaesumus, Domine,
tuae miserationis operatio,
quia tibi sine te placere non possumus
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LITERAL WDTPRS TRANSLATION:

O Lord, we beg You, may the working of Your mercy direct our hearts, for without You we cannot please You.

Fairly stark.  I have mentioned with some frequency St. Augustine of Hippo’s insight that God crowns His own merits in us. Surely that is what is at work in today’s prayer.

AN OLD HANDMISSAL VERSION:

Grant, we beseech thee, O Lord, that the operation of thy mercy may direct our hearts, forasmuch as without thee we are not able to please thee.

This is what you would have heard… or rathyr, hearde of yore in the 1549 Book of Common Prayer

O GOD, for asmuche as without thee, we are not able to please thee; Graunte that the workyng of thy mercie maye in all thynges directe and rule our heartes; Through Jesus Christ our Lorde.

I rathyr lyke the way they turned downe syde up the ourdre of thynges.

CURRENT ICEL (from Saturday 4th Week of Lent):

May the working of your mercy, O Lord, we pray, direct our hearts aright, for without your grace we cannot find favor in your sight.

OBSOLETE ICEL (1973 – Saturday 4th Week of Lent):

Lord, guide us in your gentle mercy, for left to ourselves we cannot do your will.

A MOCKING OBSOLETE ICEL VERSION:

God,
you are nice.
Be nice and help us love.

This gets to the essence of what the old ICEL “translators” gleaned from the Latin originals, don’t you think?  After all, it expresses our need for the sacrament of niceness, which is the heart and soul of the old ICEL versions and the destitute theology behind them.

Seriously, the Latin original says nothing about God’s mercy being “gentle”… or “nice”… when directing our hearts, our inmost thoughts and aspirations.

If we invoke His mercy, then surely we admit that we aren’t always so “nice” after all.  Right? We don’t ask for mercy unless we haven’t been “weighed and found lacking” (cf. Daniel 5:27).

Augustine, taking his cue from from the medical practices of the day –  no anesthesia then, right? – said that the doctor doesn’t stop cutting just because the patient screams for him to stop.  Think of all the writhing, pleading, people holding the poor patient down.

In our modern times, with all the distractions, the numbing of screens, noise, the pace, many of us are becoming tender little snowflakes.

As a Church we have some serious toughening to do.  Hard correction, training and nourishment is required. We have to stop all the excuses and pandering, the incessant reduction of expectations with the inexorable drift into the Charybdis of mediocrity, the tepidity which Christ will spew out.

It sometimes hurts to be corrected!

God knows what we need better than we can ever ponder to ask for.

Moreover, God’s correction, as harsh as it can seem at times, is certainly gentle compared to the torments of everlasting Hell.

We must steel ourselves, and not come down off the Crosses we are offered every time it starts to hurt.

And so, even as I now remind you to examine your consciences and “GO TO CONFESSION!”, I also must put to you hard questions (especially to you priests out there).

Is the liturgical worship, especially Holy Mass, where you regularly go, helping you to prepare for death?

Does it help you to conversion and correction and self-recognition?  If not, maybe some changes have to be made.

Fathers, is the way you say Mass (including the music choices, etc.) helping your people towards recognition of sinful behavior, towards desire to change, and towards a good death?

Is it helping them to get ready to die?  If not, I suggest that you are in serious trouble.

As I re-read this, there jumps into my mind the possible reasons why the powers-that-be are suppressing the Traditional Latin Mass… which does precisely what I asked, above.  What does that suggest?

I digress.

I am not saying that everyone has to be on the rack all the time.  Hardly.

However, if we are in a constant state of distraction from reality (yes, we are going to die and be judged and God cannot be deceived), if we are always being wrapped in soothing, lulling, enervating false affirmation of our nice wonderfulness… we are in serious trouble.

Serious trouble.

Not to sound like Prof. Harold Hill, but we’ve got trouble my friends.  Look around.  Demonic activity is on the rise, if exorcists are to be believed.. and they are.   We have a visible Church in division and in some places in tatters.  Truly weird things are at work in the body politic.

The whole thing nasty mess seemed to spark up around the time a demon-ritual bowl was placed on the altar over the Bones of the Apostle.

Powerful corrections are either on the horizon or they are not.   If they are, we must steel ourselves.  If they are not, we must steel ourselves for what is worse.

And in both cases, WE are the team God wanted to be alive here and now.  WE are the one’s he brought into existence for these times and conditions.   That means that God will offer us all the graces we need provided we do our parts.

I take a measure of consolation from the Beatification of Bl. Fulton Sheen yesterday (as I write).

Again, I come back to our sacred liturgical worship.   We must have MORE than what we have been doing.   “But… but… what does it matter so long as it is valid?!?  What we are doing is enough!”

It matters because WE ARE OUR RITES.

Serious trouble needs serious medicine.

Is what we are doing really enough?

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This is a great episode. I found my friend Fr. Murray’s comments especially insightful.

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FRANCE: Majority of Young Priests now Celebrate the Traditional Mass

Via Rorate.  It is short, so here is the whole thing.

The impressive figure, which Rorate had foreseen years ago, has now become reality: according to the French opinion pollster IFOP, headed by Jerôme Fourquet, 55% of priests aged 25-34, celebrate the Traditional Mass.

The poll comes on the eve of the papal visit to the Nation.

Of course, the total number of priests in France has decreased substantially since the Council, but even so the percentage is impressive, considering that only 2% of priests 75 or older celebrate the TLM.

(Source: Le Figaro)

We might not see it in our lifetime…

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Collect for Bl. Fulton Sheen?

I’ve been looking for the Collect for the Mass for Bl. Fulton Sheen.

This is how it was pronounced during the Beatification ceremony in St. Louis:

O God, who called the bishop Blessed Fulton Sheen to preach the Gospel to the whole world, grant we pray that by following his example of prayer, and the devotion to the Mother of your Son, we may also be loyal sons and daughters of your Church by bearing witness to the Faith.

I haven’t yet found the Latin text, which no doubt exists. However, this is how I render it in my non-official Latin:

Deus, qui beatum Fultonium Fultonem (Fulton? UPDATE: the decree in Latin had “Fultonius“) Sheen episcopum
ad Evangelium universo mundo praedicandum vocasti,
concede, quaesumus,
ut, eius exemplum orationis et devotionis erga Matrem Filii tui sequendo,
fideles Ecclesiae tuae filii (et filiae) simus fidei testimonium perhibendo. Per Dominum nostrum…

Modern Collects are so wordy compared to the ancient orations.   I could get fancier with it, but… nah.

When I get the Latin text, I’ll have to have a comparison.

UPDATE:

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24 September: Of Our Lady of Walsingham, Our Lady of Ransom, and a prayer

Today is the Feast of Our Lady of Ransom and of Our Lady of Walsingham.

The Catholic artist Daniel Mitsui has a beautiful version of Our Lady of Walsingham.

By the way… I love the Collect for Our Lady of Ransom.

Who wants to take a crack at it?

Deus, qui per gloriosissimam Filii tui Matrem ad liberandos Christifideles a potestate paganorum nova Ecclesiam tuam prole amplificare dignatus es: praesta quaesumus; ut, quam pie veneramur tanti operis institutricem, eius pariter meritis et intercessione a peccatis omnibus, et captivitate daemonis liberemur.

Say a prayer to Our Lady of Ransom for the protection of all who are in danger of their very lives from the “Religion of Peace”.

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