UPDATE 12 Oct:
From CRUX comes this.
A journalist, not sure which but I have an idea, asked Card. Tobin of Newark:
Tobin was asked about Catholics who feel that their concerns were not reflected in the synod’s preparatory working document, called the Instrumentum laboris, which was drafted based on each of the seven continental assembly documents, specifically those who attend the Traditional Latin Mass and who feel “banished” by restrictions Pope Francis imposed in 2021.
In response, Tobin said “the experience of feeling banished is something that is sadly part of the signs of the times, not only for people who very much love the traditional Mass,” but for other communities too.
TRANSLATION: Lot’s of people feel abandoned. Suck it up.
Then he gave an anecdote about how he had to close parish churches which upset people, but one guy wrote later that, while at the time it was hard, it was the right thing to do.
As if THAT is an answer to the TLM question.
Going on…
“Now, that’s probably, I can see it’s not satisfactory to you,” he said, referring to the journalist who asked the question, but said that for those who prefer to attend the Traditional Latin Mass, “under the conditions of the two motu proprio as well as the decisions of [the Dicastery for] Divine Worship, there are still opportunities for it, but perhaps not what they’ve been accustomed to.” [?!?!? Except where, ya know, there AREN’T.]
“I know that it’s caused a lot of grief among people who have particularly identified with that Mass, but I don’t think they’ve been banished from the Catholic Church,” he said.
In this moment there’s someone I’d like to banish from the Catholic Church. However, I will bring him to my prayers and offer his inadequate and patronizing brush off to my Savior, Christ the High Priest, as a penitential offering, requesting mercy for him and graces.
Those who desire the Traditional Latin Mass are the single most marginalized group in the Church today, pushed to the periphery of Church where they live on the edge, gleaning the grains that are left.
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The amount of driving I must now do (in my diesel people carrier) to get to the limited offering of the TLM must now fall afoul of supposed environmental sins as set forth by the current Pontificate. What is a Catholic to do? (Put up my kids for adoption to be able to reduce my car size?) Bring my kids up in the local Novus Ordo parish which seems to take kids from Catholic families and turn them into atheists? (Holy Cross Parish, looking at you!)
I know I know, driving distances in England compared to the USA are different, but when pushing £7.30 a gallon it gets trying.
All the while, the bishops adopt a “please, don’t ask me for guidance” approach.
These small, petty…men…seem to be enjoying their temporal power as would a pack of nasty, vindictive wash women. It won’t last forever (and what dreams may come, you eminences).
The mainstream Church is on the brink of collapse just like many Manitoba populations around the world. The future of the Church and society will be found in Tradition. With attitudes like Tobin, he is helping the auto-deceleration of the Church. Canada is looking to close 9000 churches in the next six or seven years and he sees it as ok to banish growing communities of faithful. These people are literally insane, they have lost reason. Regardless of nighty nights comments, the Latin Mass communities will outlive him and those who seek to destroy it. Canada, kids are becoming a rare sight to the eyes, but many of those rare sights can be found at the Latin Mass. Vice is its own punishment, let’s see who “wins” the long game.
*not Manitoba, but many. Although Manitoba is screwed with its new communist premiere.
The way W-T-F calculus works is that…
if you are actively marginalized, then your feelings of banishment don’t count.
if you view the Church as your mother and are dependent on her to provide you the spiritual nourishment you need to grow in holiness and attain everlasting life, then your concerns will not be heard.
if you are a heretic or a moral degenerate who has succumbed to an unnatural ideology, well then, we’ll happily to walk and talk together until we figure out a way to compromise our positions to yours.
These comments were a little surprising, as Cardinal Tobin has been relatively quiet on the TLM for quite some time, allowing pretty much the status quo in the Archdiocese of Newark to continue. He is the only far-left bishop in the U.S. who has not taken an ax to the TLM in his diocese — probably because the Archdiocese of Newark is an absolute disaster-zone, where half of the parishes there could close and hardly anyone would notice. Still, he was tone-deaf on this response.
The dark one continues its campaign of schism within the Church, in America and the world. Pitting those with common sense, dignity and traditional values–against the go-along-to-not-make-waves co-conspirators. Was it not Christ Himself that warned about this and the screaming and gnashing of teeth when it was too late?
Tobin’s anecdote about the closing of parishes in Indiana is so different than my experience here in the Archdiocese of Indianapolis that I don’t even know how to respond to it.
He says, “So, I think the real beauty of our Catholic Church is clearer when the doors are open and welcoming. ” right after saying that it was actually a good thing to close a bunch of parish churches. He doesn’t even hear himself speak.
He is beyond tone deaf. He is so far out of his depth, and has been for some time, that I wouldn’t trust his opinion on minor issues let alone on something like how our Lord should be worshipped.
He is totally unqualified for the position he holds.
He is a nice man in words. His actions, or lack of, indicate otherwise.
Sportsfan,
I suspect Cdl. Tobin actually meant not actual, physical doors that are open and welcoming, but for the Church to be open to welcome you whatever you believe or identify yourself (unless of course, you identify believe as a tradionalist Catholic. You get banished and offer it up, buttercup).
My wife and daughters had to travel last weekend for a fall Softball tournament for one of my daughters. They went to Sunday Mass at an ICRSS church in Milwaukee in-between games.
My wife said she was shocked how full it was. Many, many more families than our local Sunday Latin Mass. My daughter said she saw so many pregnant women that it made her nervous (not sure what that meant, but it was what she said).
My wife said she didn’t think anyone in the church was over 50 years old. The church was full and the narthex was mostly full as well. When Mass was over there was already a line outside quint up for the noon low mass.
My wife said she would happily attend here every Sunday if we lived in Milwaukee. She said there were FOUR priests hearing confessions the entire time and all had lines. FOUR! Most diocesean parishes have zero extra priests to hear confessions.
I have to think the Vatican knows the great experiment has failed when the young are abandoning the experiment and returning to tradition. There is a vibrancy and liveliness present that doesn’t exist anywhere else.
The only true comfort is that the SSPX can’t be stopped. Theybare the only bulwark against total suppression. Despite their irregular status, without them I firmly believe that the traditional mass would have been fully suppressed by now. I pray the ICRSS and FSSP can weather this time. Without Bishops, none of these orders can survive long term.