Five years ago today (the Feast of Karl of Austria), a young Austrian man walked together with demon idols which were scandalously in a church and dumped them into the Tiber River.
October 21st is Pachamama day!
Five years since she went into the Tiber. #staysaved https://t.co/TNyTLGjl1M pic.twitter.com/iYV1vWGbnS— Eccles (@BruvverEccles) October 21, 2024
If you find objects that have to do with the occult or idolatry, they should be broken, burned, whatever, and the detritus put into living water (i.e., moving, as a stream or river or ocean).
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It was staged, and a certain YouTuber took credit for funding it
It should’ve never been handled by a layman, nor just dumped like that. You’re correct, broken, burned, disposed.
Long story short, I was looking for a crystal to give to a priest to destroy, vomited when I found it. No no no.
Taylor Marshall arranged and paid for this to happen. As far as that goes, great. I’m glad it happened.
Here’s where it gets slimy for Marshall. He reported on it, as many others did, as if it were a breaking story. I’d be willing to bet he was the first to “break” the story. NO mention of the fact that he engineered the whole thing.
It was only weeks later that he announced that he was behind it all. That’s deceitful and slimy. I’ve not listened to a thing he has said or done since.
I am just glad that someone took the initiative.
Usually, the modern Catholic just sits on his hands with his mouth shut.
But, if you’re gonna do it- do it right.
As for Ole Scratch – and a banjo-
He was busy Monday morning setting off car alarms right at the beginning of Holy Mass. Twice, once to interrupt the High Altar Mass, then to bother a Side Altar Mass.
Father Z,
Do you have a recommended drink with which to celebrate this event? It seems fitting to have one.
Okay, I have to come to the defense of Taylor Marshall.
Firstly, I don’t think you can fairly say he staged the event unless he was the one who actually filled that church full of the idols that he then intended to have tossed into the river. Nobody has even alleged that, as far as I know, much less proven it.
Secondly, Marshall was not the one who announced his involvement in removing the idols, Alexander Tschugguel disclosed that. I don’t believe Marshall intended for his own role to be made public.
Thirdly, there can be no question that the idols needed to be removed; it was Marshall, and not his critics, who got it done.
Fourthly, it was necessary to make public that the removal of the idols was precisely to stop the desecration of the church and was not just a mere “theft.”
Fifthly, I would bet serious money that if it hadn’t been for this very public pushback against the promotion of idolatry in the Vatican, we’d have seen pachamama idols in churches all over the world. It probably made a lot of liberal pastors think twice about following the Amazon Synod’s lead, and averted a great aggravation of the evil.
The video of the idol-dunking significantly boosted my own morale, and I am thankful it was done. I wish we could put an end to the circular Catholic firing squad already and remember who our real enemies are.
Ariseyedead: a recommended drink
Maybe a Vesper made with one of those spicy hot gins from pepperoncino (rather than Gordon’s) – for the sake of burning all Pacha idols – might work.
My hope is that, one day, this day has a liturgical remembrance.
A staged event that perhaps led to TC. Nothing to celebrate. Though of course, pagan idols should be destroyed.
The proper fate would have been for them to be burned, and the ashes flung into the Tiber.
@tgarcia2
Correct, it shouldn’t have been handled by a layman but, as the pastors of those parishes were content to have their churches desecrated, and no bishop was budging, it fell to the laity to handle things.
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General observation: I find it strange that people get squeamish about people getting paid to get work done. That is often how things get done when there needs to be necessary involvement of people that don’t have an obligation to get things done.
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Just because an action is just and righteous doesn’t mean that money should be exchanged. Even St. Paul directly tells us that people have a right to financial support for preaching of the Gospel.
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I’ve been to Kaiser Karl’s tomb in Monte, Funchal, Madeira. It’s very near where the famous Monte Sledges begin, so most tourists to Madeira get to pay their respects. It’s a simple wooden casket inside the big, prominent parish church, with a cross and a crown stood upon it. I can’t figure out how to share my own photos, but there are nice ones at TripAdvisor: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g189167-d23460392-Reviews-Tomb_of_Charles_I_of_Austria-Funchal_Madeira_Madeira_Islands.html
What that entire incident did was to make some of us more…. sensitive and potentially trigger happy to ridiculousness that happens in our local parishes.
“Oh yeah, that doesn’t seem right, let me change that….”
Practically speaking, didn’t Mr. Tschugguel do the best thing possible – bringing Occam’s razor to bear, as it were, instead of a Wilfrithian ax? – he might conceivably have been able to carry them away, chop them up, and then incinerate them, filming as thoroughly and meticulously as possible all the while, before chucking the ashes in the Tiber, but how much wider a ‘conspiracy’ would that have required, with how many more chances of error or interference during the time it all needed – and with what a scope for accusations that various aspects had been staged?
The act itself was terrific. Shoulda been burned, buried etc. – yes. Marshall financing and arranging it is fine.
The reason I think Marshall is a snake is because he reported on this, breathless breaking news and all, without disclosing that he was behind it. He and the guy who did it made a video of them giggling and saying Marshall was behind it, and they told the story. I’d bet money that video is nowhere to be found. Hope I’m wrong, because it would be proof.
mbarry,
Presumably you are thinking of “He Threw the Pachamama Idols into Tiber River: Dr Taylor Interviews Alexander Tschugguel (#327)” on the YouTube channel, Dr Taylor Marshall, uploaded on 4 November 2019. It is there as I write, but I do not at the moment have the 1:45:38 to spare to rewatch it (schola calls!). But it would be interesting to rewatch with an eye to details, five years later, now. I see in the first of the apparently 1,341 comments, he says (at the time) “This is the best video interview I’ve ever done.”