When Leo called the consistory, there were several proposed agenda items. Fr. McTeigue aptly describes what happened.
[T[hey were going to talk about lots of things and then they talked about not as many things as the things they were supposed to talk about. And they did a lot of listening, but not very much talking. And maybe things will get accomplished. But what really stood out was Pope Leo saying, “You know what we need? You know what we really, really need? You know what’s going to fix everything? We’re going to have a new catechesis on the Second Vatican Council. Isn’t that exciting?
That’s going to do it! More formation! We’re saved!
If you have to keep talking about formation about what the Council really said… after 60 years… maybe there’s something not quite right with the subject rather than the method.
One of the things they were going to talk about, but didn’t, was liturgy. I’m sure the issue of the TLM was lurking in the background. They didn’t talk about it, in the end. Which, come to think about who would have been doing the talking, maybe it was better that way. However, speaking of lurking – maybe panicking – in the background, Card. Roche preemptively gave the cardinal participants his own paper on the TLM. Diana Montagna got it and put it on her Substack.
Shall we have a look? Let’s call it the “Roche Report” in juxtaposition to the famous “Ratzinger Report”
First, here in bare bones is what he wrote:
Roche situates the Second Vatican Council’s liturgical reform within a long history of what he thinks is organic liturgical development, arguing that reform is intrinsic to the Church’s life and fidelity to Tradition. Drawing on Sacrosanctum Concilium, Benedict XVI, and Pope Francis, he maintains that authentic tradition and legitimate progress are inseparable: without reform tradition ossifies, while progress without tradition becomes destructive novelty. He says that the Council’s reform, grounded in theological, historical, and pastoral study, sought fuller participation in the Paschal Mystery as the foundation for ecclesial unity and missionary renewal. He attributes failures in implementation to inadequate formation, not to the reform itself. Roche concludes that ecclesial unity requires exclusive use of the reformed liturgical books promulgated after Vatican II. The 1962 Missal is permitted only as a limited concession, since the post-Conciliar rites alone express the Roman Rite’s lex orandi.
Ehem.
Here’s Roche’s full English text – The Roche Report – which he distributed. I transcribed it from the images posted by Diane. HERE That’s the untouched text. There might be a few typos or oddos.
Now let’s look closer. My emphases and comments.
EXTRAORDINARY CONSISTORY (January 7-8, 2026)
Liturgy: careful theological, historical, and pastoral reflection “that sound tradition may be retained, and yet the way remain open to legitimate progress” (SC 23).
LITURGY
Card. Arthur Roche
1. In the life of the Church, the Liturgy has always undergone reforms. From the Didache to the Traditio Apostolica; from the use of Greek to that of Latin; from the libelli precum to the Sacramentaries and the Ordines; from the Pontificals to the Franco-Germanic reforms: from the Liturgia secundum usum romance curiae to the Tridentine reform; from the partial post-Tridentine reforms to the general reform of the Second Vatican Council. The history of the Liturgy, we might say, is the history of its continuous ‘reforming’ in a process of organic development. [A rather sweeping conclusion. He has conflated two categories. Historical development was very slow, unselfconscious and received rather than engineered. This is not at all the same as deliberate, programmatic reconstruction undertaken during and after the Council. The mere fact that the liturgy has changed over time does not establish that every form of change is of the same species or legitimacy. Organic growth and manufactured reform are not interchangeable categories. Roche has started with smoke and mirrors. The rest will eventually devolve into use of force.]
2. Saint Pius V, in facing the reform of the liturgical books in observance of the mandate of the Council of Trent (cf. Session XXV, General Decree, chap. XXI), was moved by the will to preserve the unity of the Church. The bull Quo primum (14 July 1570), with which was promulgated the Roman Missal, affirms that “as in the Church of God there is only one way of reciting the psalms, so there ought to be only one rite for celebrating the Mass” (cum unum in Ecclesia Dei psallendi modum, unum Missae celebrandae ritum esse maxime deceat). [The invocation of St. Pius V is funny. Quo primum was not an act of creative reform in any way comparable to the post-Conciliar reform. It was a juridical consolidation intended to protect the Roman Rite from doctrinal corruption and local, arbitrary variants during upheavals of the Protestant Revolt. Its logic was conservative and preservative, not reconstructive. To cite it in support of a radical reworking of rites, prayers, and calendar is to misunderstand its intent. He is not, perhaps, as clever as he thinks.]
3. The need to reform the Liturgy is strictly tied to the ritual component, through which — per rites et preces (SC 48) — we participate in the paschal mystery: the rite is in itself characterised by cultural elements that change in time and places. [And…?]
4. Besides, since “Tradition is not the transmission of things or words, a collection of dead things” but “the living river that links us to the origins, the living river in which the origins are ever present” (BENEDICT XVI General Audience, 26 April 2006), we can certainly affirm that the reform of the Liturgy wanted by the Second Vatican Council is not only in full syntony with the true meaning of Tradition, but constitutes a singular way of putting itself at the service of the Tradition, because the latter is like a great river that leads us to the gates of eternity. (ibid.). [Another cleverboots citation: the Pope who issued Summorum. Roche leans on Benedict’s image of tradition as a “living river.” However, he interprets this metaphor in a way that detaches the river from its banks. If tradition is defined primarily as movement, then resistance to change can always be dismissed as stagnation. What is missing is a serious account of material continuity. The actual preservation of texts, gestures, ritual structures, and theological emphases that constituted the Roman Rite for centuries. A river that no longer follows its historic course, or whose source has been reengineered, is not simply “living”. It is redirected.]
5. In this dynamic vision, “maintaining solid tradition” and “opening the way to legitimate progress” (SC 23) cannot be understood as two separable actions: without a “legitimate progress” the tradition would be reduced to a “collection of dead things” not always all healthy; without the “sound tradition” progress risks becoming a pathological search for novelty, that cannot generate life, like a river whose path is blocked separating it from its sources. [The repeated appeal to Sacrosanctum Concilium 23 creates an appearance of balance, but the equilibrium is asserted rather than demonstrated. The decisive question is not whether tradition and progress should coexist in principle, but whether the reforms enacted after the Council meet the Council’s own criteria. (HINT: THEY DON’T.) Massive textual excisions, the creation of new Eucharistic Prayers, the effective abandonment of Latin, the reorientation of the priest, and the near-total replacement of the historic offertory prayers represent qualitative ruptures, not incremental progress. These changes effected what one can legitimately argue is a different rite of Mass.]
6. In the discourse to the participants in the Plenary of the Dicastery for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments (8 February 2024), Pope Francis expressed himself thus:
“Sixty years on from the promulgation of Sacrosanctum Concilium, the words we read in its introduction, with which the Fathers declared the Council’s purpose, do not cease to enthuse. [Whom do they enthuse, again? Frankly, I think most young people today have very little interest in Vatican II and those a little older are weary of having it shoveled down our throats. And, think about watching Francis at Mass or anything liturgical other than the Pachamama Garden Rite: would you describe him as “enthused” by liturgy?] They are objectives that describe a precise desire to reform the Church in her fundamental dimensions: to make the Christian life of the faithful grow more and more every day; to adapt more suitably to the needs of our own times those institutions which are subject to change; [NB] to foster whatever can promote union among all who believe in Christ; [So, change liturgy to reach out to Protestants? That’s exactly what happened in the 60’s. How has it worked?] to reinvigorate that which serves to call all to the bosom of the Church (cf. SC I). [Here I wish to remind the reader that it was Benedict XVI who brought large numbers of Anglicans into union with Rome via Anglicanorum coetibus, a project which required a careful harmonizing of Anglican elements in liturgy. And that Pope, a Pope of true Christian unity who didn’t say things like “God wills different religions” issued Summorum Pontificum. Just sayin’.] It is a task of spiritual, pastoral, ecumenical, and missionary renewal. And in order to accomplish it, the Council Fathers knew where they had to begin, they knew there were particularly cogent reasons for undertaking the reform and promotion of the liturgy” (Ibid.). It is like saying: without liturgical reform, there is no reform of the Church.” [It’s like saying WHAT I HAVE BEEN WRITING FOR DECADES. And I have been right: the key is preservation of tradition not compelled conformity. We are our rites! ]
7. The liturgical Reform was elaborated on the basis of “accurate theological, historical and pastoral investigation” (SC 23). [Yeah.. everything but common sense, not to mention neglect of what the Council Father’s in fact voted for!] Its scope was to render more full the participation in the celebration of the Paschal Mystery for a renewal of the Church, the People of God, the Mystical Body of Christ (see LG chapters I-II), perfecting the faithful in unity with God and among themselves (cf. SC 48). [How’s that going?] Only from the salvific experience of the celebration of Easter, the Church rediscovers and relaunches the missionary mandate of the Risen Lord (cf. Mt 28, 19-20) and becomes in a world torn by discord, a leaven of unity. [Now he is becoming unctuous. He’s heard Pope Leo emphasize “unity”, so now he works it in. There’s another term for this, too.]
8. We ought to also recognize that the application of the Reform suffered and continues to suffer from a lack of formation, and this urgency of addressing, beginning with Seminars to “bring to life the kind of formation of the faithful and ministry of pastors that will have their summit and source in the liturgy (Instruction Inter oecumenici, 26 September 1964, 5) [Here’s what they always return to: the claim that the failures of the reform are due primarily to inadequate formation functions as a catch-all defense that insulates the reform from falsification. After more than half a century, across continents and generations, the persistence of liturgical instability, doctrinal flattening, and loss of the sense of the sacred suggests structural problems rather than merely pedagogical ones. A reform that requires perfect formation to avoid collapse, yet consistently produces dysfunction even among the well-trained, speaks for itself. You can’t get around the results. One the other hand, what was with the massive growth of the TLM after Summorum? Hmmm.]
9. The primary good of the unity of the Church is not achieved by freezing division but by finding ourselves in the sharing of what cannot but be shared, as Pope Francis said in Desiderio desideravi 61: [Roche repeatedly identifies unity with exclusive adherence to the postconciliar books, treating the older Roman Rite as, at best, a tolerated anomaly. This reverses the traditional Catholic understanding of unity, which historically accommodated multiple rites and usages within doctrinal communion. The assertion that unity can be achieved only by suppressing a venerable liturgical form ignores the Church’s own lived experience prior to the twentieth century and reduces unity to ritual monoculture.]
“We are called continually to rediscover the richness of the general principles exposed in the first numbers of Sacrosanctum Concilium, grasping the intimate bond between this first of the Council’s constitutions and all the others. For this reason we cannot go back to that ritual form which the Council fathers, cum Petro at sub Petro, felt the need to reform, approving, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and following their conscience as pastors, the principles from which was born the reform. [Gratis asseritur… You know… if you take a road and you realize it is not taking you to a good place, is it better blithely to keep going or to go back and make a course correction?] The holy pontiffs St. Paul VI and St. John Paul II, approving the reformed liturgical books ex decreto Sacrosancti OEcumenici Concilii Vaticani II, have guaranteed the fidelity of the reform of the Council. For this reason I wrote Traditionis custodes, so that the Church may lift up, in the variety of so many languages, one and the same prayer capable of expressing her unity. [Cf. Paul VI, Apostolic Constitution Missale Romanum (3 April 1969) in AAS 61 (1969) 222]. As I have already written, I intend that this unity be re-established in the whole Church of the Roman Rite.” [Good, persuasive arguments and lack of adherence to the facts about what happened after the Council leaves only one course of action for those obsessed more with eliminating the past than authentic ecclesial communion: FORCE.]
10. The use of liturgical books that the Council sought to reform was, from St. John Paul II to Francis, a concession that in no way envisaged their promotion. [“[B]y virtue of my Apostolic Authority I decree the following: … c) moreover, respect must everywhere be shown for the feelings of all those who are attached to the Latin liturgical tradition, by a wide and generous application of the directives already issued some time ago by the Apostolic See for the use of the Roman Missal according to the typical edition of 1962.” – St. John Paul II, Ecclesia Dei adfflicta, 6.] Pope Francis—while granting, in accordance with Traditionis Custodes, the use of the 1962 Missale Romanum—pointed the way to unity in the use of the liturgical books promulgated by the holy Popes Paul VI and John Paul II, in accordance with the decrees of the Second Vatican Council, the sole expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite. [The conclusion rests heavily on Traditionis custodes, presented as the necessary juridical expression of ecclesial unity. Yet its credibility is weakened by the unresolved question of its foundation. Thank again to Diane Montagna and testimonies from bishops indicate that the document’s justification, namely, widespread episcopal concern over rejection of the Council, was based on a selective or tendentious reading of the survey responses. If the diagnostic premise is flawed, the resulting legislative remedy cannot claim moral or pastoral inevitability. Put another way, purgamentum init, exit purgamentum.]
11. Pope Francis summarised the issue as follows (Desiderio desideravi 31):
“[…] If the liturgy is ‘the summit toward which the activity of the Church is directed, and at the same time the font from which all her power flows,’ (Sacrosanctum Concilium, n. 10), well then, we can understand what is at stake in the liturgical question. It would be trivial to read the tensions, unfortunately present around the celebration, as a simple divergence between different tastes concerning a particular ritual form. The problematic is primarily ecclesiological. I do not see how it is possible to say that one recognizes the validity of the Council — though it amazes me that a Catholic might presume not to do no — and at the same time not accept the liturgical reform born out of Sacrosanctum Concilium, a document that expresses the reality of the Liturgy intimately joined to the vision of Church so admirably described in Lumen gentium […]”. [Oh, dear. This paragraph turns on an equivocation: it identifies assent to an ecumenical council with assent to every reform later attributed to it. SC 10 defines the liturgy as the Church’s “summit and source”. It does not render all post-Conciliar implementations irreformable! The argument therefore moves illegitimately from a doctrinal principle to a historically contingent outcome. By recasting the dispute as “primarily ecclesiological,” the text again misstates the issue. The question is neither aesthetic preference nor rejection of Vatican II, but whether the reform as enacted conforms to the Council’s own criteria (e.g., organic continuity, restraint in change, and fidelity to received forms). The claim that the reformed books necessarily embody the ecclesiology of Lumen gentium is asserted, not demonstrated. Councils articulate principles but their application proceeds through fallible human judgment. To deny this is to collapse council, reform, and implementation into a single, untouchable act of authority. Finally, the suggestion that one cannot affirm the Council while questioning the reform is a category error. Catholic tradition has always permitted critical evaluation of disciplinary reforms in order to safeguard Tradition itself. Fidelity to Vatican II requires discernment, not uncritical acceptance of every post-Conciliar product.]
Rome, 8.01.2026
The The Roche Report’s claim that the Novus Ordo represents organic development stands in tension with the judgment of one of the most significant theological voices of the twentieth century, Joseph Ratzinger, who described the post-Conciliar liturgy as “a fabrication, a banal product of the moment”. This critique arose from a concern that the reform replaced a received rite with a constructed one, assembled by committees and justified ex post facto by appeals to history and pastoral need. A rite produced in this manner cannot easily be squared with the Church’s prior understanding of liturgical tradition as something received, not made.
Roche attempts a coherent and compelling narrative. However, its coherence depends on redefining key terms such as reform, tradition, unity, and legitimacy, in ways that predetermine the outcome. When examined critically, the evidence before our eyes viewed with the lens of common sense suggests that the liturgical crisis cannot be reduced to failures of formation or implementation. Rather, the scope, method, and assumptions of the reform itself remain on the table. If these foundational questions are not addressed, appeals to authority and unity risk functioning less as instruments of communion than as mechanisms for foreclosing legitimate theological and historical debate.
All they are left with, really, is dezinformatsiya and sheer force.























I salute Fr Z and others who are refuting Roche’s arguments point-by-point. But I guess that the dispiriting aspect is that Roche is still making these arguments at all. Roche reminds us that he is still in power and is very aggressively marking his line in the sand. This IS the hill that he is willing to die on. No justice, no peace, no compromise. The war is ON. Period. And that’s quite disappointing. Going in to this consistory, we had even the likes of Card. Hollerich (!) on of the leading progressives of “Team Francis” saying that he could imagine a relaxation of the prohibitions on the TLM. And then Roche comes out like this? Guns blazing and partying like it’s 2021? Sigh. Kyrie eleison.
Father, this was a very useful, cogent fisking — thank you for the heavy lifting you’ve done. As Dr. Maturin would say, “Sure and it deserves to be written in letters of gold on a pillar of ivory”.
It’s a shame it had to be written at all, but such is the world we live in.
[For the O’Brian quote.. non nobis.]
I’m reminded of communists whose answer to the failures of communism is to do it harder.
Thus Roche’s (and Leo’s) approach: double-down on the failures of VII by proclaiming we just haven’t tried hard enough and we don’t understand it well enough.
Many thanks for this post and your analysis and explanations, Father.
Card. Sarah reminded the Church that Pope Benedict refereed to the modus operandi of many bishops and cardinals as being that of “practical athiests,” that is, of men who act in ways that are those who have no Faith, who do not even believe in God…and it is these men who are entrusted with defending the Faith, the Sum and Summary, the Center and Source is The Mass.
Alas, they know almost nothing about It, it seems. As our Lord said in His day, “They do not enter themselves, and prevent others who would enter from so doing.”
I am very grateful for the few who do, and for those who defend It.
Read Ratzinger, his students, who continue the work of the saints, truly devoted to God.
Forget the noisy gobbledygook of these modernists who use many words with forked tongues. Why waste your time?
Again, thank you, Fr. Z.
“Only from the salvific experience of the celebration of Easter, the Church rediscovers and relaunches the missionary mandate of the Risen Lord.”
Is Roche referring to the mandate in Matthew 28, “Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to follow all that I commanded you…”?
Because if he is, then how did the Novus Ordo relaunch that mandate, when instead teaching all Christ commanded, the liturgy was modified to remove any teachings of Christ that offended adherents of various religions of the world, most especially those of the Protestants and the Jews?
Cardinal Roche wants to leave an impression on his colleagues with the following points:
– Novus Ordo IS part of the organic and living tradition of the Church in respect to Her divine worship
– Reiterated this notion of “uniformity in worship is unity” (but alas, given the numerous mix-and-match in the Modern Roman Rite…)
– Trivialises the issue of the Modern Roman Rite to mere ‘lack of formation’
Roche DID NOT learn from the liturgy war in the Syro-Malabar Church.
Roche also failed to live out the “Synodality” which the previous pontificate has relentlessly stressed. I thought being “synodal” is to “listen”, “discern”, and “dialogue”, but it seems it’s just chatter because the aim is to “enforce”.
The Bull Quo Primum – specifically relied upon by Cardinal Roche in paragraph 2 – if read in its entirety, actually establishes the opposite of that point for which he recites it. In his Bull, Pope Pius V specifically excepted from the use of the new missal all churches which by prerogative or custom maintained continuously for at least 200 years the ‘saying of Mass differently’. Indeed, only with the permission of the bishop and ‘the whole Chapter’ could such churches with an ancient tradition replace their old liturgical tradition with the new Missal of 1570. Thus, even in the Roman Church, the retention of variant ancient rites and uses (e.g., the Ambrosian Rite, the Rite of Braga, the Rite of Lyon and so-called Mozarabic Rite as well as the Dominican and Carthusian Rites and, perhaps, the Sarum Use still occasionally said surreptitiously in Elizabeth’s England) was not seen as violating the unity of the Church.
I think Grillo wrote this for Roche.
No one is listening to Roche. He’s done.
There are better and fresher voices to be heard that make sense.
Father, to paraphrase the eminent, late Gene Wilder, thank you for braving the ravings of a … curial mind.
The cardinal might be only about half as clever as he needs to be, regardless of what he thinks of the situation. If he knows enough about Quo Primum to (mis)quote it as a ploy to sound like he’s actually supporting St Pius V’s exact position, he either forgot or cannot even fathom that some other people in the Church can also read, and will see through his little ploy. (“I mean, a billion of ’em, no way they’re as smart as ME!” ???)
Speaking of which, it’d be interesting to get his take on the idea also found in Sacrosanctum Concilium that the Latin language is to be preserved by the faithful. When it isn’t preserved, they can’t read the older docs for themselves and they have to rely on the cardinal to understand what was said and written before the last council – hmmm. Dereliction of duty, or conflict of interest?
And all his growth and river talk needs to consider St. Henry Card. Newman’s comparison of slow, steady growth vs. abrupt, sudden cancer, otherwise he simply sounds all wet (I had to, sorry).
No, he’s a revolutionary just like the lot of them, as evidenced by the fact that whatever “we” might do, “we” will NEVER consider debate because that requires considering that any aspect of their plan or progress could be “wrong”. When the fathers voted for liturgical reform, what comments anywhere would lead us to believe that they envisioned throwing out 86% of the Lectionary or whatever that fraction is? Why should we think that the “ayes” envisioned throwing out holy water for “happy water”? What undeniable good of the Church and the faithful has come of any of it? “Oh it is all good, just a little clumsy on our part – won’t you please forgive us and let us try again?”
We’ll never know in this lifetime, because we’ll never have a debate about it. So in that sense, yes, not giving this … actor a stage was probably a good.
Francis: “For this reason I wrote Traditionis custodes, so that the Church may lift up, in the variety of so many languages, [whatever happened to the “unity” they so desire? Since they place so much emphasis on superficial unity, I’m surprised (not surprised) that they don’t mind disunity over masses in so many different languages, and in a form of a mass that has literally hundreds, if not thousands of permutations when taking into account all of the available combinations of options]…one and the same prayer capable of expressing her unity.”
It doesn’t cease to amaze me that Roche had to go this far in distributing such an anti-TLM letter to the cardinals, considering that the TLM faction is but a tiny minority in an otherwise one billion point something member Church organization. And didn’t the “majority” of bishops already make it clear that they were against the TLM in that infamous survey that served as the basis for TC? Shouldn’t Roche be relaxing?
I differ with you in that I am hopeful and somewhat enthusiastic that Leo is launching an exploration of Vatican II documents. It has long been my view that V2 was not a problem so much as a blessing but, the problems came when implementation was entrusted to, or seized by, those who wanted a fuller “protestantization” of the Church. If Leo has in mind an attempt to realign church practice with what the council actually adopted, I am with him.
The fact that Cardinale Scarafaggio felt it necessary to distribute this at the consistory might be a sign that he feels he is losing the argument. We live in hope.
Thank you Father Z.
No one speaks the way this document is written. If comedy was still funny, it would have this man speaking and underneath him the translation.
If the Novus Ordo is truly an organic development, then the young people, who did not grow up with the Vetus Ordo, should be flocking to it rather than turning to the V.O. Otherwise, the N.O. is an Imposition and is not organic. “If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it is a duck.”
Definitely sounds like Grillo or some other litnik, at least the guts of it does. The Yorkshireman is indeed clever, but “get on with it without licking one’s wounds when no one has been injured” is more his sort of idiom! (Or perhaps I’m not fully in syntony with the magnitude of H.E.’s insights!)
The so called ‘reforms’ from V2 have led to millions of souls leaving the Roman Catholic Church along with hundreds of thousands of clergy and religious lost, not to mention the infiltration that we are presently living with. Yeah, it worked so well that we are going to double down on it. While we are at doubling down on what has not worked, we will persecute faithful Catholics who know their faith and try to suppress a valid Mass. Who is happy about that? Could it be the enemy?
I am happy that MaternalView brings up communists. I have always (well at least since 1998 when I left the Episcopal Church) thought that most references to VII sounded very much like communist references to Das Kapital: Appeals to documents by Marx and Engels by a speaker who had never read them.
I also am glad FatherZ took the time to analyze Roche’s document. But like Engels did when defending Marx, he will reply in a manner that makes his arguments tautologies. All the internal contradictions one may find in Marx’s work were discovered by the beginning of the 20th century and were refuted by changing definitions or the meaning of important concepts.
Meanwhile, the important work of the Church at least in the USA has been carried on by Mother Angelica, Catholic Answers, Scott Hahn (and perhaps father Z) and the like who just go about preaching the gospel and recommending that people take advantage of the sacraments.
Well, I don’t get why it took 60 years for these guys to realize the problem was we just don’t know the documents well enough.
Within a few years of the council it was clear the destruction that was occurring and promised fruits weren’t.
Why weren’t they out there saying no no we’re not implementing VII correctly??
Because it was being implemented exactly as they wanted!
And after 60 years these guys know it’s going to go into the dustbin of history as they die off. Unless they can brainwash enough people or drive enough away from the church.
Cd. Roche, and the prelates who push the Novus Ordo as the ‘one and the same prayer capable of expressing her unity,’ conveniently leave out a little secret known among us lowly laity: parish (s)hopping. If the NO is so unifying, why will some people drive past 5 parishes to go to a parish further away for a Mass that suits their preferences? And in many parishes there are different Masses, not just different languages, depending upon the kind of music or style you like.
If the NO was so unifying, shouldn’t Mass at the nearest parish be the same as the one at the parish in the next town? For some people it’s a matter of protecting their souls and the souls of their children to drive further away for a more ‘reverent’ Mass. Cd. Roche doesn’t seem to care about the NO Mass being seen as a product that people attend, or don’t attend, because they like this particular thing or don’t like that particular thing. Many modern parishes aren’t made up of the local community living in close proximity. Instead, they’re made up of people who like the particular brand of the Mass offered there.
St. Alphonsus Liguori was still discussing the implications of Trent in his documents for the lay faithful, and he lived about 200 years after it.
Vatican II wasn’t the end-all-be-all of Catholicism, but councils are extraordinary events within our tradition. It’s pretty common to latch onto the most recent one and keep catechizing on it.
Orial, Exactly! You can attend a TLM anywhere in the world and it is the same. You may not understand the sermon in a foreign tongue but the Mass is rock solid.